International Systematic Discrimination Against Chinese Tourists: Must Have Something in Common…

chinese tourist discrimination

You may be Chinese, you may be a nice guy, you may always put down the toilet seat, you may the hero to volunteer the line “If it’s all the same to you, I’ll drive that tanker.”  All these things may be true and more, but the Chinese media won’t let you forget: there are many people out there who don’t like you.  Foreigners.  Outside of China.  Doing foreigning, and whatnot.

In case you’ve forgotten and have lost your righteous sense of fear, the travel section of Sohu has compiled this handy list of past instances of discriminatory acts against Chinese tourists.  This list originally started with the recent “Hot Water-Gate” scandal in the Maldives, and can be seen here, as so does not begin with #1.

From Travel Sohu:

Maldives Hotel Discontinues Hot Water Facilites to Prevent the Consumption of Instant Noodles: Recent Instances of Discrimation Against Chinese People Outside of China

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2. Only Chinese Tourists are Required to Pass an Examination Before Being Permitted to Go Scuba Diving

Diving is one of the Maldives’ unique characteristics [that establish it as a popular tourist destination], whether is scuba diving in deep water or snorkeling in shallow water. All Chinese tourists visiting many of the holiday resorts in the Maldives and wanting to partake in diving activities must face certain “restrictions”.

At the Diveoceanus diving center on Paradise Island, a rule is in place whereby that any Chinese partaking in diving activities are only allowed to dive to a depth of 3 meters for a total time of half an hour.  The price for this activity is still the normal rate of 188 USD [charged for all clients]. At Club Med Kani, it is only Chinese tourists that are required to pass a test in order to go diving; those that don’t pass this test are prevented from participating. Workers at the holiday resort say that this is a precaution for the tourist’s own safety. However, many tourists have stated that only participants of Chinese nationality are required to pass this examination. Says [a person], “Before registration for diving activities, [the diving center] asks for our nationalities; anyone from Japan or South Korea are not obligated to take the test.”

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3. Taiwanese Restaurant Recycles Food to Sell to Mainland Tourists

A former employee with the famous White Sand Harbor restaurant in Malibai, Taidong province in Taiwan has [made allegations that] expose the restaurant for recycling the food on old cold dishes to be re-sold to mainland Chinese tourists that arrive; this fired employee estimates that over 10,000 of these mainland tourists [have eaten this food]. Upon learning this news, some mainland tourists have stated, “How disgusting! So malicious!”

This fired employee of the White Sand Harbor restaurant has alleged that this restaurant took leftover vegetables, dried meats, salted fish, pork and chicken and re-arranged upon a new plate to be recycled [for sale to the next group of mainland tourists that come in]. This whistle-blower has also recorded 14 minutes of video on a cell phone in which pickled carrots are recycled from an outside area, immediately divided onto 4 steel plates which are then again redistributed onto other smaller plates; even the dipping sauce is reused in this fashion.

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4. Mainland Chinese Tourists Permitted to Only Use Bathroom Exit of [Taiwan Parliament]

Due to the fact that an increasing number of mainland tourists have been eating at the restaurant on premises, Taiwan’s parliament has cited “safety concerns” and reasons of “overcrowding and noise” to decide in June of 2010 that mainland tourists are only allowed to use the [side] safety door entrance next to the bathroom. Any mainland tourists decided to enter through the main entrance will be turned away. This has been the cause of protest for many mainland tourists with [someone] saying, “You want to earn my money, and yet you only allow me to use the side entrance? Taiwanese people have gone too far!”

A group of mainland tourist from Chongqing that were turned away [at the front door] and forced to use the side entrance. Of them, tourist Mr Li became incredibly angry upon learning of the circumstances of the situation. Mr Li criticized the side entrance as being small and narrow as well as being next to the bathroom. As well, Mr Li stated that there was a strange smell that could be detected upon using this entrance. “I have come to spend money; why am I not allowed to use the main entrance?” A Miss Wang echoed Mr Li’s sentiments by saying that the Taiwan legislature is not very friendly toward mainlanders. Miss Wang said, “My feelings are hurt; doesn’t Taiwan put the most emphasis upon its [great] service?”

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5. US Border Customs Discriminatory Interrogations of Chinese Tourists

In April of 2011, a group of Chinese tourists have arrived in Seattle, USA on a Hainan Airways flight. When they were passing through US customs, these people encountered a very unpleasant experience. Miss Feng, a reporter who had entered and exited the USA on several occasions stated that, “All of us without exception had to open our suitcase for another inspection; many tourists had to take out all of the material in their suitcases for a rigorous check.” Miss Feng notes that the majority of tourists required to open their suitcases for further inspection were of Chinese ethnicity, something that made her quite upset.

This was the first trip to the USA for a Miss Zhong, who had taken a flight from Beijing to Seattle. Miss Zhong said, “According to the pertinent laws and regulations, US Customs indoubtly have the right to re-inspect luggage; this is something that we will co-operate with. However, what I don’t understand is that the luggage has already been inspected once before [at customs]. After passing through customs, any inspections made should be of a random variety. But I have discovered that among all my fellow travelers with a Chinese passport that all of us without exception have been required to submit to another inspection. Is this not a case of treating a problem by seeing the world through tinted glasses?”

A person working with the airport but not willing to reveal their identity has said that this reaction may be because many Chinese tourists do not understand how the US Custom system works. Chinese are accustomed to carrying on their person items like meat products or herbal medicine, items which can be classified as prohibited substances to be brought into the USA. Furthermore, Chinese tourists are accustomed to carrying large amounts of cash. These things may lead customs to deal with Chinese with “special circumstances”.

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6. French Luxury Hotel Refuses to Accept Chinese Guests

In plans to open a new hotel in 2014, French designer label Zadig & Voltaire creator Thierry Gillier told the upper-tier fashion industry magazine “Women’s Wear Daily” in an October 2012 interview that “We will not accept Chinese tourists” because “in Paris, many people still require personal space and a quiet environment”. [Actual quote from magazine: “It won’t be open to Chinese tourists, for example. There is a lot of demand in Paris – many people are looking for quiet hotels with a certain privacy,”]

However, this magazine was immediately asked by Gillies to change the phrase “Chinese tourists” to “many tourists” [Quote from magazine: "busloads of tourists"]. But this move could still not stem the tide of Chinese anger that could be seen in posts and comments made upon the internet and social media saying things like, “This is clearly racism; not every Chinese is uncultured.”

Another netizen has said, “If this [hotel/brand] is adamant in refusing Chinese guests, then this pretentious/arrogent brand has just lost an important market.”

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7. Chinese Tourists Victimized by Confiscation Policy of Singapore Airlines

On September 6th, 2009, a contingent made of 7 people from the Shenzhen law firm Guangdong Victory Land (now renamed Guangdong Gold Tang law firm) were travelling from Hong Hong via Singapore to the Maldives on a Singapore Airways flight that was booked by Kangtai travel agency in Shenzhen. On route in Hong Kong, these seven tourists first had to relinquish their visas, tickets and relevant travel documents before being allowed to check-in.

What was strange is that this airline did not take the same procedure when dealing with other Western passengers checking in. At all times throughout this journey, these seven passengers were monitored by security guards; even when wanting to use the bathroom at the airport, these passengers were instructed to ask for permission beforehand. As well, even after the plane arrived in the Maldives, Singapore Airlines still refused to return the confiscated travel documents back to the Chinese passengers. Instead, only when the rest of the passengers had first disembarked were the seven Chinese passengers escorted to the Maldivian border entry department. They were interrogated for over an hour, and then after no problem was found were they then let go.

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8. The Incident Discriminating Against Chinese Tourists at the Galeries Lafayette

On February 11th, 2008, a Zhejiang husband and wife were travelling with a tour group in Paris, France. They were shopping at the Galeries Lafayette shopping center on Haussmann Boulevard when the authentic EU currency they were using was mistakenly thought to be counterfeit by the retail clerks in the mall. The couple were then subjected to injust treatment and discriminatory inspection. The couple were brought back to a police station by police officers for questioning, all the while being held in handcuffs, subjected to strip searches while being sneered at as well as other inhuman behavior. Quoting the words of the people involved, they were viewed as “criminals”.

A Chinese diplomat stationed in France was dispatched to negotiate. In the end Galeries Lafayette published an apology, but in the aftermath their attitude was still not enough to satisfy [those seeking reparations]. On February 23rd, the Chinese Tourist Association once again expressed its dissatisfaction and regret over this matter. Said a spokesperson, “Before we have reached an appropriate solution, I would suggest to other Chinese tourists going to Paris to not shop at this shopping center; travel agencies have also temporarily stopped organizing tour groups to make trips there.”

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  • http://soundcloud.com/starhawk-1 Little Wolf

    Re: Chinese scuba diving….While I have not documented evidence, I do have a theory based on a lifetime of scuba diving starting at 4 years old in our family pool where my father, a scuba instructor, would give me a regulator and have me stick my head underwater and breathe. I hold NAUI Divemaster status which is not an instructor but qualifies me to supervise groups of 8 or less but I have taught quite a few people over the years, including my own daughter and I have been in China more than 10 years. I am certain that dive facility has had plenty of bad experience with Chinese over the years which compelled them to put that policy in place. And they are being quite responsible, putting themselves at risk of losing alot of business from Chinese. It’s a pity more people and businesses don’t behave this way and only see dollar signs. I would bet alot of Chinese don’t go home in a box because of it. Remember that this is “Resort-diving” where most of the participants have never even been in the sea.

    Anybody who has been here more than a few days knows that when Chinese tell you they can do something, it’s a sure sign that they can’t and they’ll find a way to completely fuck it up. Just because they stood in the Wuhan Municipal Sports Complex pool with 10,000 other Chinese trying to beat the heat does not qualify them for diving. While equipment has made scuba diving safer it can still be dangerous. One of the greatest surfers and watermen of all time, Jay Moriarity, who was one of the first to surf Mavericks monster waves and whose life story was chronicled in the movie “Chasing Mavericks”. This guy had 2 Hoppity-Hop sized balls of steel and completely comfortable in cold, rough, typhoon-condition seas. He died in a free-diving accident IN THE MALDIVES in shallow water. I was almost drowned by a girl from Harbin who never saw the ocean before, wanted to go snorkeling and freaked and was convinced that I was an island that she could climb on for safety.
    3 meters is what? About 10 feet. While Chinese might feel indignant that they’ve been confined to the kiddy-pool….10 feet underwater is where there is plenty of sunlight and that’s where the most sea life can be seen. I would love to go diving 3 meters deep in the Maldives. I’m also guessing Chinese have a bad habit of treating the coral badly and breaking off pieces for keepsakes.

    Maybe I’m generalizing, but Japanese have a sea culture, alot of surfers and scuba diving is a popular recreational sport there. Some of the best scuba equipment is developed and made there. They probably have a consistent history of showing up at dive destinations prepared (probably even having their own gear) and show a level of competence and comfort in the water that most Chinese fail to demonstrate but get snippy when you tell them they’re not really qualified to do what “Japanese dogs” can do. I’m certain that competent divers from China are welcome to participate in any level of diving and if they are card-holding certified divers they already know the risk.

    I have had to get checked out in the pool at the Underwater Explorer’s Society in the Bahamas to go on dives with their charter boats. You go in a pool, 10 feet down, remove your mask, put it back on and clear it…throw out your tank and regulator, put them back on and clear your regulator…DONE. So did my dad….a certified instructor (hey, they don’t know if he hasn’t dove in 20 years or not) So did my friend, Rick Avery, a top movie stuntman and one of the testers for a mixed-gas commercial diving helmet for his father-in-law’s company. All of us certified, veteran watermen and still needed to get checked out. It was their policy and was for everybody’s best interest.

    So boo-fucking hoo.

    • http://sinopathic.com/ terroir

      I can’t verify whether there is real discrimination here. At the Diveoceanus website in a FAQ/pdf they say that everyone needs to be certified, and that there is a training program in place, and that people are limited to 30 meters (that’s probably for scuba and not snorkeling).

      It’s just funny that it’s “How come the Koreans and Japanese can, but I can’t?” and that cries of “Isn’t my money any good?” will soon follow.

      • http://soundcloud.com/starhawk-1 Little Wolf

        Well….this is standard for any credible dive facility. They have a program called “resort certification” that you learn the basics and enables you to go on any of the dives they offer under 30 feet.

        Are you sure it’s 30 meters? 30 meters is a serious depth for even experienced divers. I’m gonna check that site.

        • http://sinopathic.com/ terroir

          http://www.diveoceanus.com/sites/default/files/DO%20FACT%20SHEET%20Paradise%20Island%202012.pdf

          Under important infomation:

          “Further, the maximum depth for Advanced divers and higher is 30 meters”

          Not exactly what we’re looking for, but hey, they’ve got to draw the line somewhere.

        • http://soundcloud.com/starhawk-1 Little Wolf

          Thanks….I didn’t see that. And I misunderstood, thinking that novice divers were allowed to go 30 METERS.

          Interesting fact. 93% of people that get certified, never dive again after they get their C-card. Most just go through the course to see if they can hack it, or other reasons. The whole dive industry is based on how to keep divers after they finish the course.

        • http://sinopathic.com/ terroir

          From that story, I just assume that the people were didn’t take the course were already certified. So it may be that it is Chinese in this example that are “seeing the world through tinted glasses”.

          Scuba seems like fun, but always crazy dangerous as lots of things can go wrong as you mention. The article may suggest it to be snorkeling and not scuba, but hey, anger.

        • http://soundcloud.com/starhawk-1 Little Wolf

          Well…as I said..the equipment is making it more safe and idiot-proof. In USA tanks are only allowed 3000cf fills which makes them run out of air before you can stay under long enough to need to worry about decompression sickness. Europe is different. Visit Hangzhou sometime and we’ll go scuba diving in the shark tank at Aquaria 21 in Shanghai. It’s a blast. They have all the equipment and if you’ve never been, you get a crash course for 10 minutes and then dive with the sharks, eels, turtles, etc. Hot shower afterwards. Easy-peasy.

          When I returned from my first trip to China in 2000 on a China Air flight to LAX, I was the only person on the flight that was pulled aside and had my bags searched. A flight that consisted of probably 95% Chinese passengers. I call bullshit. Discrimination against being handsome. Fuckers pulled all my stuff out and I had to re-pack it myself without even a “sorry dude” .

          So boo-fucking-hoo.

        • mr.wiener

          Story for you, as told to me by a South African who swears he was there.
          Doing a tour of Kruger national park in an open topped bus, Comes over the top of a hill and sees a pride of lions gathered around their kill. The bus pulls up 100 meters away and the guide quietly tells everyone to take their pictures now.[from the top of the bus].
          There is suddenly the sound of the back door of the bus opening and 3 Chinese tourists hop out the back and start running down the road towards the lion. The guide flips out and leans over the top of the bus and starts gesticulating madly “Get..Back…In …The ….Bus!!” he says trying to shout and whisper at the same time, but the Chinese ignore him and run down the road until the are 25 meters away where they proceed to take turns posing and taking pictures with the lions in the background.
          The male lion gets to his feet and roars , a sound that you can feel all the way down to the marrow of your bones. The Chinese freeze mid shutter click and turn around….one of the female lions gets up and is walking towards them.
          The guide gives up trying to whisper and yells at them: “WALK BACK TO THE BUS !! dO NOT RUN!!” So the Chinese proceed to sprint towards the bus like people trying to get across the road before the traffic starts. The bus has reversed around so they can get in the back door, the Lioness has started to speed up , 2 Chinese get on board, the 3rd is a little fat and only just makes it, and the door is slammed in the face of the lioness…..
          “WHAT THE F*CK WERE YOU DOING!!?!” . The guide screams at them.
          “We thought they were on a leash for a photo opportunity” The Chinese reply……..

          Needless to say Chinese tour groups are run seperately in Kruger now

        • http://www.kalanstar.com/ KopyKatKiller

          That’ll probably be the next example of “discrimination”… “Chinese tourists yelled at for taking pictures of lions while everyone else was allowed to do so without being yelled at.”

  • http://www.kalanstar.com/ KopyKatKiller

    I think it’s a case of “Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me.” Obviously people of other countries have become accustomed to Chinese tourists and now go an extra mile to treat them in a “special” way.

    Half in jest:

    #1 The noodle thing. They discovered Chinese are extremely cheap. So, no more kettles. Will also make it easier to air out the rooms after the Chinese leave.

    #2 The scuba thang. Of course they have to take a test and are limited in the depth they can go. Most Chinese can’t swim and their lungs are corroded from heavy pollution.

    #3 Recycling food. This is a no brainer. Probably they are just trying to give mainlanders food they are used too, hence the recycling. i guess they could always serve them ramen noodles…

    #4 The Parliament restaurant. must be some cheap food there or something? The way the average Chinese tourist acts, they should be happy to use the bathroom exit instead of being banned outright. Anyway, isn’t democracy corrosive to the mainlanders’ souls? Better to visit another restaurant.

    #5 The US border. it discriminates against everyone. Why do mainlanders think they are so special? And yes, trucking half your life savings, a tone of dried rat meat, and a box of stinky tofu are not permitted. If they had any sense, they wouldn’t be carting these things around.

    #6 The french… who cares? Anyway, not having any mainland tourists at your luxury hotel will probably be a good selling point for Western rich snobs who do not want to share a hotel with a mainland pig farming millionaire. Money can’t buy class after-all.

    #7 Singapore probably doesn’t want any more corrupt Chinese escaping into their country. Being a gang of Chinese lawyers from a firm that changes its name every few months is a definitive red flag. They should be happy they weren’t denied boarding.

    #8 If anyone was to pass fake bills in a tourist spot like that, who wouldn’t bet on it being a mainlander?

    Finally finally, a word of advice for new monied uncultured Chinese tourists venturing into the free world for the first time: “If you don’t like it, you can always leave!”

    • http://sinopathic.com/ terroir

      #6 is the one that doesn’t involve any Chinese tourists, but is the one that makes me cringe the most. Because, the response.

      It would have been so simple to just say, “What an ignorant man who regretfully must say these racist things,” but no: the “official response” as seen in these past articles always carry the same two quotes that must slander a whole group of people in return (you “arrogant Europeans”) as well as imply that the Chinese market must unfortunately not partake in this “arrogant/pretentious brand”.

      This should have been a clear cut home run victory for China PR. The other examples here are iffy and based on circumstance and apocryphal details and don’t have the clout of #6. But no, Chinese must lower the bar and use every opportunity to walk in the same mud as its detractors.

      So, no: I’m not along on the ride for the other seven. Jest, half-jest or half-n-half.

      • http://www.kalanstar.com/ KopyKatKiller

        Jest or no jest, when Chinese go abroad they have to learn to abide by rules other than those of the Heavenly Party. The party that banned politeness, etiquette, and manners. I can just imagine the scene of hundreds of Chinese tourists exiting the Taiwan parliament yelling on their cell phones, spitting, and littering as the go down the front steps showing zero respect for the country they are interloping in. As for the French resort, the same is possibly true. Mainland Chinese men pissing on the floors of the bathrooms, mainland Chinese kids shitting on the carpet or pissing in the plants, mainlanders chewing with their mouths open, picking their noses, and yelling on their phones. Can’t be good for business… Living 200 or 2000 years in the past can’t be good for mainland Chinese pride/face.

        You reap what you soe. Anyone who has had the grave misfortune of finding themselves in a foreign country sharing a space with mainland tourists can attest to the uncivilized behavior of Chinese. My own experiences have been in Japan and Korea. In Japan it has always been Chinese yelling at each other, spitting, or yelling on their phones in places they are not supposed to be. On the Tokyo subway for example, a Chinese woman was yelling on her damn phone sitting in the seats designated for old people where cellphones must be switched off, or the two Chinese tourists watching Japanese jet fighters preforming maneuvers from the balcony of a pagoda yelling about how China owns the Senkaku Islands. Stuff like that. In Korea it was seeing a Chinese tour guide yelling into her bullhorn about how Korea really belongs to China at a palace in Seoul and then hearing some yell “Ni kan. Laowa!” at my back and turning around to see some middle aged Chinese pig farmer with his shirt rolled up to his nipples pointing at me. People like that shouldn’t be allowed through the gate.

        So, in my opinion, they deserve every bit of bad press/discrimination they get. I am against blanket discrimination as I do know many civilized Chinese mainlanders and it isn’t fair to them to be forced to use the side entrance or banned from a resort, but I feel they also bear some responsibility for not telling their compatriots that they are acting like a bunch of hillbillies. So Chinese netziens, if you ever do find yourself with a Chinese tour group and some idiot is rolling up his shirt and yelling at the white people in a foreign country kindly tell them to shut the fuck up and stop losing your country’s face.

        • http://sinopathic.com/ terroir

          We agree on many things.. we just don’t agree on the final point.

          Not to dump on you and your valid points, but it doesn’t matter that you make a good argument because logic doesn’t win in the end. In most of these examples, the offending country makes the apology (#6 and 8). Because money.

          Sure, Chinese uncouth behavior and the tremendous loss of face would matter if they cared, but they don’t. Because here, China isn’t a place, it’s a state of mind. And because these Chinese have the same confidence as they do back home, they think, “I’ve got money, give me my respect!”

          Your valid argument isn’t the way to go. You can’t win a logical argument with something that is illogical. But you’re not going to scold a Chinese and win.

          So here’s my plan for stopping this bad Chinese tourist behavior:

          1) Don’t apologize. China has everything to gain by being the victim, so don’t play into it. It may seem dickish, but be very clear on what you wanted to do in the first place (service, product, an essay, a news story, whatever) and stick to it. Your waffling will only make it worse.

          2) Make a record of it. That “S. African lion story” (seen below) sure sounds crazy. It makes for a good storytelling at a bar or watercooler, but this lyrical quality will forever hold it back as just a rumor or urban legend. Make a video/picture/recording, broadcast it, and wait til it gets back to the homeland.

          This can best be seen in sleepingchinese.com (or whatever); despite any charges of racism, one can say without a doubt that many Chinese sleep in the craziest positions.

          3) Conflict will only bolster a Chinese – but shame is forever: this is not about taking the moral high road (it doesn’t work). It’s that terrible truthfulness of Chinese culture: things only improve once you’re caught doing something bad. No, a post-it note won’t work. To wrap up: by shaming the shameless will progress be made.

        • http://www.kalanstar.com/ KopyKatKiller

          Perhaps… I think the best way of dealing with China and those mainlanders who are unruly is with a very big stick. Just look at the fall of the last dynasty. The British didn’t take China’s/Chinese superiority complex and dealt with it with a very big stick.

          From the South China Sea to Chinese tourists abroad, not apologizing and beating the mainland into submission is the best course of action. China and mainland Chinese can have and do deserve a place in the world order, a place as respectful as the rest of us. They just have to beaten into shape so they fit it.. Ban more Chinese tourists from overseas luxury resorts, submit would be Chinese tourists to a politeness manners/test before issuing them a visa, block them from owning property overseas util they reciprocate the privilege of property ownership, sink any and every Chinese vessel straying into other countries’ territory, refuse official visits from the CCP until they call open elections, revoke their UN seat and give it back to Taiwan, kick them out from the WTO until they learn to abide by its rules, block their internet connections until the GFW is dismantled etc. etc. Bring the hammer down in a big way. Basically treat them as second class citizens until they prove they can behave otherwise.

          Perhaps that’s too extreme, but is there another way? Coddling them doesn’t work… Perhaps the French resort should have just enacted a policy of kicking out without refund anyone who was noisy, dirty and smelly. If it so happened that most of the evicted were Chinese, it wouldn’t be the resort’s fault. Same goes for the Taiwan parliament, the Maldives hotels, the Singapore airlines, the US border etc. etc. Probably, if these stories were looked into in more depth it would be shown that they were not discriminating against Chinese at all but just enforcing policies everyone was expected to abide by. It just so happened that it was Chinese in large numbers that were too pig headed to play by the rules.

        • http://www.kalanstar.com/ KopyKatKiller

          I think I shall reread “The Ugly Chinaman” and contemplate a squeal “The Ugly Chinaman At Large”….

        • http://sinopathic.com/ terroir

          An article in which gov’t legislation was considered to prevent impolite Chinese from travelling overseas. It was written way back in 2006, so it looks like it didn’t work.

          Some quotes:

          The Chinese government is concerned enough that it is mulling legislation to ban or restrict citizens from making overseas trips who have a record of bad behavior in previous travels to foreign countries. The authorities are also launching an education campaign to foster what they deem to be good behavior for Chinese tourists.


          “Improper manners undermine the individual image of the tourists and that of the country as a whole. They directly erode China’s reputation in the world and greatly hinder the development of China’s tourism,” said Shao Qiwei, minister in charge of the National Tourism Administration.

          http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/HJ05Ad01.html

        • http://sinopathic.com/ terroir

          We differ. For one, as cool as it is used in “Oldboy”, the “hammer” analogy is not the right one.

          A lot of what you are suggesting is “humiliation”, and what I’m suggesting is shame. Some dictionary may differ with my opinion, but I’m saying that “humiliation” is something that you can’t recover from, but shame is just a social construct that affects the people who buy into it.

          Maybe there are better words to choose, and maybe I’m bad at capitalizing upon triple point word squares, but I hope you see what I’m getting at.

        • http://www.kalanstar.com/ KopyKatKiller

          Sure. Point taken. “Humiliation” may be the best medicine though, as hard as it is to swallow…

        • http://sinopathic.com/ terroir

          China endured a “century of humiliation” and finally feels it’s come out of the woods. And China will be damned if they don’t let everyone know about it, or ever let it happen again.

          This of course, is based upon money. According to some calendars, the “three generations of prosperity” all used up…

        • http://soundcloud.com/starhawk-1 Little Wolf

          I’ve scolded (and worse) oafish shit-behaving Chinese plenty of times and I always win. They will act indignant, make a scene and whine and point the Chinese Death Finger at me while cursing my ancestors and all of my kind and threaten to bring the whole clan to my house and hack me to pieces.(And goddam, they REALLY MEAN IT!)
          But whatever they were doing to piss me off in the first place comes to a complete halt. Mission accomplished.

        • http://sinopathic.com/ terroir

          I’m not saying you can’t do it, even on a daily basis. But what do you win? Your day is ruined and Chinese have even more set against you.

          All of China could be a small village of 100 people (biosphere?) and you could run into them again and again. But nothing would change — you’d have to make a scene. Every time.

        • http://soundcloud.com/starhawk-1 Little Wolf

          Their day is ruined, not mine. Again…..I am not making a campaign to fix China. I am stopping a dog from getting kicked….a girl getting beat…..a shithead screaming into his phone in the elevator right behind my ear. I can’t make somebody stop smoking. But I will stop them from blowing it in my face.

          And don’t think I haven’t made changes in the area I live. Do you think the shopkeepers in my neighborhood still break transactions to stop and get some assbag his pack of Chungwhas that he demanded “Kuaile!”. I’ve demonstrated that it’s just not worth it no matter how much the assbag bitches when he’s told he’ll get his ciggies when he’s finished with me.(Hey, we’re all on the same death clock, shitbag) I could show you several examples where I’ve made changes.

          I stopped being a guest here a long time ago. I retain my own jurisdiction over things that affect me directly and the things that I choose to make my business.

        • http://sinopathic.com/ terroir

          Speaking of dogs.. I’ve been holding onto an animal story that you won’t like.

          A zoo. It’s all tears.

        • http://soundcloud.com/starhawk-1 Little Wolf

          Well…I see some real horrific shit on liveleaks.com on dogs and cats. I don’t get jaded to it. All I can do is just go home and hug my dogs and share a steak with them. Sometimes I even manage to snag a few pieces for myself.